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Lithan · Nov 29, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

I'm just surprised that there's any market to learn how to run. I mean trial and error works fine. Took me a few tries to find the safe spot to heal after eating 3-4 sigs of judgement in infusion run. First 3 tries I just kept running and made it 1/3 times. Once I found the rest spot I can do infusions 100% (so far, prolly like 95-99% actual as I dont run much.) Best runner I've found was a warr ranger, she was able to get her speed to the point that she didn't even get aggroed, by the time mobs noticed her she was out of range. The irony was that it was a free run for my necro. Naturally I tipped her very well. But after signing up for so many pay runs by "Experienced, 100% success" runners for my secondaries... I really laugh at the guys who expect that they can get more than market price for running by claiming an artificial success rate, then when they fail blame it on lag.

DeathDealer · Nov 29, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by trim

Gslavik doesn't have hatred towards lbs members. He just speaks his mind.

Last I checked there wasn't anything in the guidlines for expressing your views about something.

I edited the post...I didnt mean it that way

trim · Nov 29, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by DeathDealer

I dont have a problem with you but am boggled as to why you are so concerned with lbsra. Are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

just wondering...

Death Dealer... I would also like to ask you this same question. Being that your not even in the guild why do you even care that someone disagrees with how LBS runs there Academy.

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Dreamex2

1. I am sure that if an educational institution found out that I was billing myself as their graduated student when in reality I am an enrolled student they would have a very strong say about it.

2. As for paying an educational institution a tuition fee, if I don't take any classes, I don't have to pay anything.

DeathDealer

The "academy" did nothing. It is profoundly "interesting" that 2 warriors from LBSRA go to thirty and charge whatever they charge (15k? 25k?) to have the mission done. For a 2 man warrior team, it's simple. Both have tanking builds. One warrior tanks, the other helps the tank by mildly healing him. Don't say that warriors are terrible healing because of low energy, because healing breeze with health prayers of 8 gives +6 health regen and mending adds another 3. A single warrior tank can take on a group of 3 enemies quite easily. Then you have them switch when need be. I have tried this with a warrior friend and find it very easy to do.

This is also the basics behind dual runners. One gets the aggro, the other runs through. In this case, the other goes on to kill something else. Simple, yet effective. Of course it is not clean, because that is also the reason (healing breeze) why all these warriors take on the rangers last and also try to get the groups to fight each other.

dreamex2 · Nov 29, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

GSlavik

1. We've already been over this, students are NOT allowed to advertise as graduates, if they do, screenshot it and send it in. It will be dealt with. This doesn't mean that students are not allowed to charge whatever it is they feel like, it's up to the consumer/employer to decide whether or not it's fair value.

2. I'm not american, but in the Canadian University program, if you don't take courses each semester, you're forced to withdraw from the program.

Edit: Part of the graduation requirements is to complete Thirsty River with 4 or fewer henchmen.

DeathDealer · Nov 29, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by trim

Death Dealer... I would also like to ask you this same question. Being that your not even in the guild why do you even care that someone disagrees with how LBS runs there Academy.

Mainly because I see the same people posting the same comments and it is a stalemate...so why keep it going? Everyone has there opinions and is continually posting them..page after page...same old stuff. It is not that I am concerned..I am curious why this has kept going as long as it has. They are succesful and thats how it is. So why do the same few people keep on posting the same stuff in different wording? That is what is making me curious. Is there nothing better to do?

trim · Nov 29, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by DeathDealer

Mainly because I see the same people posting the same comments and it is a stalemate...so why keep it going? Everyone has there opinions and is continually posting them..page after page...same old stuff. It is not that I am concerned..I am curious why this has kept going as long as it has. They are succesful and thats how it is. So why do the same few people keep on posting the same stuff in different wording? That is what is making me curious. Is there nothing better to do?

well...your right about theres nothing better to do at the moment for me, and maybe a little that I would like to make people aware that this info. isn't extremely hard to get if you look for it. Some people might see me as a bad guy for disagreeing with it, but I really dont care anymore. Really, im tired of arguing, and it does look as if its a stalemate.

The only thing that can be done to stop any of it would probably be to create an academy/guild of your own and charge low prices. Or just post all the builds up in the build forum.

Caleb · Nov 29, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by trim

The only thing that can be done to stop any of it would probably be to create an academy/guild of your own and charge low prices. Or just post all the builds up in the build forum.

I have news for you. There are no secret builds. GuildWars has been out for quite a while now, and you can find any type of build you desire simply by using the search button on this very site.

That in no way lessens LBS or anyone else's right to do whatever they like with their gaming time. No one is forcing you, me, or anyone else to spend their shiny shimmery pink balls on an academy.

Please stop thinking that we as a Guild Wars community need you to do our thinking and make our choices for us. We are very capable of doing it on our own, thank you!

LBS isn't forcing anyone to enter/pay for the academy. It doesn't get any plainer than that. People that choose to enter do so of their own free will, and for you to presume that they just don't know better or didn't search for builds is presumptous and arrogant.

Let everyone play their game and collect thier shiny trinkets however they like. I don't presume everyone else but me will make poor choices, and in a video game such as GW I think you will find most people would rather form thier own decision than just do what you tell us to do.

eol · Nov 29, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44

see this is my problem "lbsra" and "lbs certified" what does this mean.. is there a clear distinction? certified means im either in lbs or done with lbs as lbsra means im just in lbs so to the average client who knows not that lbsra is your way of telling them u suck so how is he to infer that he should ask for a reduced rate as that this person is not officially backed by lbs herself now if they advertised lbs non graduate it would be perfectly clear and the client could then say well you are charging a graduates rate and i dont find this a fair transaction and would want a graduate.. now if you cant provide one thats just your problem for either not having enough of them (which is bs if you were actualy running a accademy and not a ecto recruitment firm) or lower your rate to a clear standing otherwise advertise lbs thirsty river certified and such, its pretty clear you dont care to elaborate to your clients the actual worth of your individual runner as i have seen you spam your ads to ppl who dont know anything about lbs operation trying to create an atmosphere of eliteness when clearly there is nothing to drool over otherwise you wouldnt allow your students to take advantage of your school it may be run by a complete incompetant "in my opinion" but the premise was at least honorable no matter how much you guys have twisted it

and this is why i post, its not about how much ecto you make or how really good you are its all about how badly you guys are representing yourselves on the street and dont tell me what happens in game doesnt relate to what happens with lbsra and its services
that right there is like texico refusing to take responsibility for an oil spill when the captain of a tanker wasnt licensed properly

killer toast · Nov 29, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

If you dont like the academy why dont you just make your own for free and give us competition? you say its so easy to run and people can learn it without a problem, well id like to see you make a academy.

Hockster · Nov 29, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

It would be extremely interesting to see anyone of the clowns could do that and be even 1/10 as successful as any student, let alone gaduates or founders.

But they'd rather piss and moan about others than actually do something for themselves.

Those that can, do, those that can do it better, teach, and those that have no friggin clue, bitch about those that can and those that teach.

It would sure be nice for a mod or an admin to step in and delete every post from number two onwards. And maybe deal with the blatant trolling going on for a change.

Blue Steel · Nov 29, 2005, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Huh? I have a tough time following the logic of many of these posts. eol, I know of no other runners who have any standards at all. Think about that.

I am humbled and impressed by the way the Academy members, both students and graduates, behave in game and respond in this thread. If you have a problem with a specific student or graduate, please let me know. PM the information, screenshots, and descriptions of events for my consideration. That is part of what you are entitled to as a customer: standards! Many of the students in the Academy are exceptional runners and better than any other runners I know of in the game. If they don't want to graduate and have no interest in ever doing Drok's runs (which aren't particularly profitable or even that enjoyable anymore) and can dominate Thirsty River and provide a fantastic, enjoyable, fun experience for people who want to pay to see grandmasters carry them through a mission, and they charge 500K for the rush, I'm just fine with that. The costs of the Academy admission are for many, many things, but not the least of which is my time ensuring that the reputation for honesty is maintained. You can get running builds elsewhere. You can get incredible groups of wealthy, intelligent, and helpful friends elsewhere. But you cannot get certified as (1) honest and (2) able by the leading authority in the industry elsewhere.

If you, eol, can point me to an oil spill somewhere, I will clean it up if it was my fault. I haven't seen an oil spill. In fact, all I have seen has been a fantastic community improving in myriad ways upon the experience that hundreds of thousands are having with Guild Wars.

Blue Steel · Nov 29, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Thanks for whoever is modding this thread.

For those who have questions about our specific standards, post #826 in this thread lists standards that you can expect, and I do certainly want to know if you feel there is any deviation from those specific standards. Feel free to use the PM system! It has a purpose.

Mindcrime · Nov 29, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

I thought that I took this game too serious, played to much and skipped gym and gained some pounds here and there on the wrong places.
(No dremex2, my butt is still in shape

)

I just realized that from the last daily comments that some players are even FAR more serious than I am about this game and community.

eol · Nov 29, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

that was unfair how is it a flaim if she is accusing every other runner of guild wars as not having standards, why dont you delete her thread as a flaim

honesty is not a standard you cant teach or enforce it as i was saying before you deleted my thread

and as it is appraent with the number of "graudates" you have produced over the pasted 3 months, the the way you educate them and put them out into the world your school has nothing academic about it
what it does have is a loose affiliation of runners looking to operate with other such skilled people in order to expand thier own markets

once again the only ones to benifit from this are lbs and her "graduates" as masterbeef himself said he bought into it for the hookups

why pay for hook ups?

i think lbs should be paying her students 15 ecto who needs lbsra more?

the students?

or lbs?

i think its pretty clear a rival guild is unnessary so is a running academy

the only REAL need is a place for runners to centrailize their service free of charge such as the site i mentioned earlier

salmanrafay · Nov 29, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

ew prices are way to friggin high...ascalon to thunder head..i know thats like a full day run..but 400k..?? it shud be like max 80k o sumthing...WOW..gay!...ppl that have 400k to spend on that dont make new chars, so NO one will take that i bet..just sum constructive critism...pirce are WAY to high...............if you play for about 3-4 days..u can get to thunder head keep for about 20-30k.

Mindcrime · Nov 29, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

Huh? I have a tough time following the logic of many of these posts. eol, I know of no other runners who have any standards at all. Think about that.

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Originally Posted by eol

that was unfair how is it a flaim if she is accusing every other runner of guild wars as not having standards, why dont you delete her thread as a flaim

eol, I think you should read Blue Steel quote again and read your own replay.

Blue Steel is talking about standards that is written on paper/threads. How many running-services in gwguru or in-game has standards in that kind of way?

eol · Nov 29, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

ok mindcrime...

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

But you cannot get certified as (1) honest and (2) able by the leading authority in the industry elsewhere.

i think this part speeks for itself if you cannont teach being a authority in the industry then what are you charging 15 ecto for

and dont bring up the word "elsewhere" becuase that is aggrogance to claim there are none that excel beyond her skills or at least jsut as compitant and i highly doubt that she is a rarity becuase no one can claim to teach that, once again i bow to lbs the inventor of the honest buck

and if you can not at the very least enforce honesty then you can not claim to have standards and this doesnt just manifest in the form of client complaints but it manifest int he way you organize your business to ensure you can prevent your students from being fraudulent as much as possible and i dont belive she is doing that by allowing them to charge full fair for uncredited runners and advertising with vague representation of your group with words such as lbsra and lbs certified

Caleb · Nov 29, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by salmanrafay

ew prices are way to friggin high...ascalon to thunder head..i know thats like a full day run..but 400k..?? it shud be like max 80k o sumthing...WOW..gay!...ppl that have 400k to spend on that dont make new chars, so NO one will take that i bet..just sum constructive critism...pirce are WAY to high...............if you play for about 3-4 days..u can get to thunder head keep for about 20-30k.

This is a perfect example of why I even spoke in this thread in the first place. No one is forcing you to buy the service/pay the fees. No one is telling you that you MUST use the service to complete anything.... In fact, without you replying to an in game offer or seeking out the LBS runner - they will never know you exist let alone cram a full world tour down your throat and demand 400 platinum.

GuildWars economy is a free market, that we should all be able to agree upon. In a free market I can charge 250 platinum pieces for my +1 10% deathbane pommel. It is then up to whomever wants this pommel to decide if they want to pay my fee.

Simple concepts have been thrown out the window for peoples "feelings" of things being too expensive or not the way that person would have done it.

It's a video game. Enjoy your game, let others enjoy theirs. If that means they want to pay 500k for my deathbane pommel, isn't that their choice?

I don't understand why everyone feels the need to tell other people what choices to make?

I realize human nature is to believe that our own opinions are valid and correct, but assuming that others cannot make rational and competent decisions solely because they choose differently than you isn't how the world works.

trim · Nov 29, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

I don't understand why everyone feels the need to tell other people what choices to make?

I realize human nature is to believe that our own opinions are valid and correct, but assuming that others cannot make rational and competent decisions solely because they choose differently than you isn't how the world works.

I dont think anyone is telling people what choices to make. They are simply expressing there opinion on the matter.

As you said before, this is just a video game, meaning that you might have someone 50 yrs old playing against someone who is 7 years old. If someone over 20 sees that first post they probably notice that this might not be such a great deal. And yes, it might be harder for someone under the age of 10 to make a rational and competent decision after seeing that first post.

I dont make decisions for anyone as i doubt anyone else here does.

If you had a 7 yr old sister and she wanted to buy x item and you knew it was a rip off would you say hey go ahead and buy it. Or would you come in and warn her that she might be getting taken.